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I assume your main point here is basically, "Russes and TCs are underpowered right now, so there's no need to make any changes that don't buff them"? We're talking about making a change for the sake of balance, so if the units in question are wildly under or overpowered in the first place, discussing points changes for a subset of those units' options is a bit moot. * Assuming that russes are good in the new codex - Sure. Your response really makes me feel like I'm missing something. It's more important that you can be happy with however you modelled your tank than it is important that AM win tournaments. No, your suggestion assumes that Leman Russes are all equal which is silly. That assumes that Russes are good in the new codex and that TCs are OP, that the codex has TCs in the same form as they are currently, and that they don't have a different points cost from a base LR to make different sponson costs a big deal. IIRC, the sponsons are optional, so baking the extra cost into the base cost of both tanks would mean the TC was effectively paying for better BS on guns that it might not even be equipped with. So assuming we were to get a new guard codex tomorrow that makes the faction as a whole roughly as powerful as other factions, wouldn't it make sense for the TC to pay slightly more for his sponsons than the normal LR? With both tanks being reasonable for their points? I believe the main point here is to acknowledge that a given gun on a TC is more powerful than that same gun on a normal LR.

I'm not super familiar with guard, so I might be missing something.

The idea was to reduce the point cost for normal leman russesĭoesn't that just leave the Tank Commanders over-priced then? If either option was actually good I could see these adjustments making sense but as is, you could easily cut their points by 20 per tank still have them be meh on the table.

Last update was at 1 08:09:56Ĭanadian 5th wrote: Is the idea here to drag Tank Commanders down to normal Russ levels of bad? If so, that seems like a poor idea when the guard codex already sucks. Leman Russ Battle Tank equipped with: vanquisher battle cannon. Tank Commander equipped with: vanquisher battle cannon. Knight Commander Pask equipped with: vanquisher battle cannon. Same goes for Pask, but you should adjust the basic price if you want to do it.